TTMB Podcast

For this episode of TTMB our wonderful guest Alethea took us on a trip down memory lane, all the way to the coastline of New York city. She shared her family's beautiful Puerto Rican culture with us, and made us extremely jealous of the good food, good music, and good vibes that she used to bask in all summer long. Not only was it a blast to glimpse this vibrant culture through her memories, but it was a joy to chat so passionately about music and creativity! Once again, we are so honored to have spent time in the studio with someone who is willing to share not only the ways music touched their life in the past, but the ways music continues to enrich their life every day. Alethea's energy was so warm and welcoming so check her out on Instagram @leebeeee and her website if you want some piano lessons or to hire her for your wedding!!

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You know, when you hear a song

and it triggers a memory, it

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instantly takes you back to a

particular person or place or

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moment.

This podcast is all about that

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song and those memories.

Welcome to That Takes Me Back,

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where we share stories that

connect music and memories.

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We're your hosts.

Kellen, David.

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And Maya Sage and on today's

episode.

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They have like a pickle flavored

something a little while ago

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too.

They're crazy.

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They're crazy.

I love Pickles, but I didn't.

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I don't.

Know we, we just had a a

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kool-aid pickle.

Yeah, that was weird.

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Was it.

I thought it was weird.

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Whitney dug it.

She she was like, I shouldn't

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like this as much as I do, but

to me it was like my brain

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couldn't figure it out.

I was each yeah, each little

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bite was like is this kool-aid

or is this a pickle?

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And it was not wanting to

combine you.

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Had too much cognitive

dissonance, yeah.

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Yeah, I I feel that.

I don't think I can get down

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with the Kool-aid.

Pickle.

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I don't know about it either.

She said that by the end of the

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pickle, because I only had one

little bite by the end of the

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pickle, your brain figured it

out, Yeah.

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And knew how to combine the the

pickle and the Kool-aid.

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That is a different a different

type of of flavor combo.

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Yeah, that's interesting.

Somebody had to be creative to

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come up with that one.

Or maybe that was another

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mistake.

Somebody knocked.

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Somebody knocked their pickle

into the kool-aid.

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Yeah.

Right.

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Like, wait a minute, we talked

to Alethia, who is a

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keyboardist, is very passionate

about salsa music.

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I loved how much presents she

brought in, just how deep we

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went with the conversation.

I was just remembering, I was

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kind of nervous before she came

in.

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It was one of the first guests

that I didn't know at all,

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right?

And so I was a little bit

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scared.

I was like, am I still going to

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be able to create a safe place?

I don't know.

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I could just feel a little bit

of nerves in the beginning, and

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I just appreciated her so much

for being such a warm presence.

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So wonderful.

To have that conversation with

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in her perspective on music and

life and everything was just,

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yeah, awesome.

Yeah, it really was.

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We had a really cool

conversation that went kind of

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all over the place, and yet it

stayed on on point the whole

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time it did.

Also, yeah, it was very centered

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around a family connection to

music, and it was great.

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I just feel like she shared her

culture with us so much.

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That was beautiful.

The fact that we talked so much

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about the melting pot of New

York, it was really cool.

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I love thinking about the

evolution of music.

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Yeah.

And how it comparing sort of

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music to food.

And like, when different

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cultures come together, you

know, it's an inevitability that

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the food is going to fuse and so

is the music.

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Yeah.

So thanks, Alethea.

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So will you just go ahead and

introduce yourself?

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Yes, my name is Alethia.

My friends call me Lee.

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You guys can call me Lee too.

I play the piano.

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I have been playing in wave 11

for the last few years.

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Love those guys and I played in

a couple other bands doing like

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weddings for the most part and

then my husband is a drummer who

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plays in the wedding bands with

me.

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That's fun.

We play, we, we're, we're trying

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to get some salsa going.

We want to we want to bring

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salsa to the to the Grand

Valley.

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Oh my gosh, yeah.

I feel like that's awesome.

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That would be fun.

Grand Valley Salsa.

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Product for us, Yeah, right.

People would get down to that.

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Like I think there's a lot of

parties that would use some

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salsa.

Yeah, I think so too.

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I think.

I think the people need it so.

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We want to bring it.

And you know what?

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We need more social dancing in

this town.

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Yeah.

Like there's nowhere to go.

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Dance and have a good time in my

opinion.

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This is yeah, I know they have

some.

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They do have salsa night at Mom

Marie's every Thursday.

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No way.

Yeah, from 7:00 to 9:00 they do

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salsa night, so hopefully we can

get in there and start playing

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some.

Mom, Marie's the.

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Cowboy Bar Yes, mom, Marie's the

cowboy.

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She.

Has the salsa night.

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Yes.

OK, so I'm curious about what

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song you've brought to us today.

Is it truly a trip down memory

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lane?

It is truly a trip down memory

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lane for sure.

Yeah, yeah.

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Brings back a lot of memories.

So the song is called Arosco

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Nabichuela.

It's a song by a Puerto Rican

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salsa ban El Gran combo de

Puerto Rico.

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The song I listened to many

summers in a row for my entire

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childhood, and now that I'm an

adult, I have You have to do it

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to do it every summer.

Really.

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So you come back to it on a

regular basis?

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Yeah, OK.

Yeah, that's cool.

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It's on the playlist.

Just repeating in there.

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Nice, cuz you like to like bask

in the feelings so that it

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brings up Yeah it.

Brings up a lot of memories.

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My family, I'm from New York, so

my family in New York, every

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summer, every Sunday in the

summer, we would go to the

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beach.

Oh my God, it'd just be me, my

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parents, my siblings, aunts,

uncles and cousins just hanging

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out in a grassy spot in the

beach, barbecuing.

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Oh my gosh.

Music, dancing and there was a

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specific area in the beach as

well, closer to the boardwalk

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where like, most of the old

heads would be playing music and

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dancing.

Wow.

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Yeah.

That those are the memories it

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brings back my dad.

We would listen to this whole

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album, like on the way to the

beach or on the way back home.

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Wow.

So every time I hear this music

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or this ban or just salsa in

general, it just reminds me of

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those summers.

Yeah, in.

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My childhood and my family still

gathers at the beach every

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Sunday.

Oh that is so cool.

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So it's been like 5 years since

you've done the beach thing?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Honestly, that's wild too

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because like, there's no beaches

in Colorado, so it's like the

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last time I've been to a beach.

Right, it was a long.

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Time ago need to I need to.

Yeah, I mean, you can find like

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some rocky lake shores, but.

Like, yeah.

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You can't.

You know, no waves and stuff.

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Right, the beaches are their own

thing.

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They really are.

So I love that that's where it

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takes you back to you because I

know for a fact that that

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includes like some smells.

Yeah, lots of food like there

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used to be these guys, like

selling these really, really

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delicious sweet oranges.

So good.

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Just just like whole oranges.

Yes, yeah, Whole oranges.

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They'll cut them in half for

you.

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And it's just like, yeah, just

down in orange.

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They're so good.

They're nice and.

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Sweet that that's so good on a

hot.

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To.

Like when you eat like fruit

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that's nice and like hydrating

slaps.

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Yeah, it really does.

What other food is out there?

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So you guys were barbecuing, you

said.

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Well, my family cooked a lot of

like, so chicharrones is like

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kind of like the skin of the

pork or the chicken, like the

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nice fried part of it.

Course you got to have burgers

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and hot dogs.

Oh yeah, on the grill.

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That's iconic summer.

Yeah.

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And then bacalao or bacalao

those, it's like fried, fried

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fish.

It's kind of like a fish batter.

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It's almost, it's almost kind of

like the consistency of pancake

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batter.

But Oh my God.

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And you fry it so.

Good.

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Wait, that sounds really good

it.

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Is really good.

Y'all should come back to the

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box with me next time.

Dude, take us with you.

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What?

Else, I have a feeling you're

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about to take us with you.

I know, yeah.

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I mean, yeah, yeah, really good

food.

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Of course, like Ices.

And Oh yeah.

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And then sometimes every now and

again, there'll be like a truck,

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like advertising for some drink

company, like iced tea or Red

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Bull or something.

So it would all be like, yes.

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And then it's like they try to

give it to you once, like you

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can't come back for seconds, but

we still try to come back for

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seconds.

You put the mustache on.

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Yeah, exactly.

You didn't see me here.

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Dude I can't imagine like

getting up to kids shit on a

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beach on a regular basis.

I'm so.

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Jealous of that?

Because like.

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I grew up here so.

You know, like now, you know,

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living here, I, I, I think a lot

about like, what it would be

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like if I grew up here and then

moved to New York.

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Like, what kind of a brain?

Yeah, that would kind of mess up

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my brain.

Because now even going back now,

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it's like, whoa, right.

How did I grow up in this huge

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city with all these people?

Yeah.

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But yeah, I'm really grateful

that I got to got to grow up in

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New York.

It's a awesome city, awesome

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people.

Where are you from in New York?

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I'm from the Bronx, Pelham Pkwy,

grew up in an apartment with my

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siblings and my parents and my

niece.

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Yeah, those are all the those

are all the people that would be

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in the beach.

On the beach would be nice.

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When you first get to the beach,

there's like a parking lot area

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grass, that's where like a lot

of the families are.

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And then you get to the

boardwalk and then the kids want

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to get in the water.

So right, the bigger kids take

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the little kids to the water and

keep an eye on them.

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And then finally, when they're

tired enough, bring them back,

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set a blanket on the grass and

have them nap.

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Dude that sounds like the best

summer.

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Fun times.

Yeah, it's like every, literally

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every weekend we were at the

beach and I never got tired of

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it.

Yeah, it's hard to imagine

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getting tired of that.

Yeah, I don't.

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Yeah, I mean, my family still

does it, so I guess.

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Yeah.

Yeah, it's a it's a long

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standing tradition.

We don't get tired of it.

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Yeah.

And it doesn't probably take you

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that long to get there.

No, you could take the bus from

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where I live, but we we luckily

had a car and so no 1520

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minutes.

Oh my.

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God dude I'm so jealous 1520.

Minutes to get to that beach.

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Of course you would do it every

week.

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Yeah, right.

Why wouldn't?

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I not and good food.

Yeah, and, and just the vibes,

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like.

So tell me more about when you

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come back to this song now.

Like, is it like when you're

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craving like the nostalgia of

home, or is it more like when

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you're trying to get like pepped

up?

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Yeah.

It's more like when I'm trying

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to get pumped up.

Yeah.

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I just love the rhythm and salsa

in general.

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It's like a a nice syncopated

rhythm.

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You got so many percussive

instruments doing their thing.

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So it's just you can't help but

dance to it.

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Like you really can't help it

when you're in a bad mood or

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when, when.

Especially for me, it's just

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like when summer's coming

around.

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I'm getting out of that winter

spring.

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No getting rid of the rain and

all that.

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Sun's coming out, so it just, it

just puts me in that summer

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mood, you know?

OK, we should listen to it just

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a bit now.

Yeah, now that I have that,

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there's.

All those horns.

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For real, how do you stay in a

bad mood?

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Yeah, right.

Noticing another popular song by

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them, it's called Luis Vedano in

Nueva York.

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Yeah.

So that song has recently become

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pretty popular.

Yeah.

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I mean, I mean, it's not

recently become popular.

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It's.

Is it from your childhood too or

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no?

A.

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Little bit it's from it's from

the same band.

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So like, I've listened to a lot

of this, a lot of their music.

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This album though, specifically,

is like this.

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Is your like, yeah, you come

back to.

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Yeah, OK.

But that song became, you know,

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popular again recently because

of Bad Bunny.

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You guys heard of Bad Bunny?

The.

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Sample yeah, he he sampled from

that song OK, so which is cool

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because yeah, Verano and why by

York is the summer in New York

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and summers in New York are

special, man yeah, yeah.

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OK.

So you're would go out there

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with your family.

So tell us a little bit about

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your family.

OK, I have a pretty big family

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on both sides.

So this is my mom's side of the

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family that we would go to the

beach and stuff with.

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We're pretty, we're pretty

close.

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We like to party, we like to get

together to cook, to eat for

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every holiday.

You know, my my sister and my

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aunt as far as like my immediate

family, my sister and my aunt

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Monica, my mom's sister, they

cook the best Puerto Rican food.

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So, so, you know, every, every,

we wake up pretty, pretty early

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in the morning.

Hopefully the house was cleaned

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the day before so I don't have

to worry about cleaning anything

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on Sunday.

Yeah, we drive to the beach, get

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our beach chairs, pack the

coolers, go to the corner store,

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make sure you got all your juice

and your chips and you know,

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like cold cuts and stuff.

Make sure you get got everything

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you need.

Take the big bags of ice and,

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like, cap them into the street

to break up the ice.

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Finally get it all in the

cooler.

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Stuff the car with as many

people as you can, people

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sitting on your lap.

Yeah, yeah, every, all, all the,

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all the chairs and everything is

stuffed in the back.

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So you're like trying to squeeze

everybody in there and head on

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your way to the beach.

And then we meet like everybody

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else there, the rest of my

cousins, the rest of my aunts

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and uncles.

So it's a big party.

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It's a big party and a lot of

my, not a lot, but some of my

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cousins and stuff don't live in

New York anymore.

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So like little by little it's

like less people.

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And then, you know, people make

friends that turn into family,

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so they start coming along.

My family's the best.

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They're just easygoing people,

easy to get along with, just

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ready to have a good time, ready

to party, ready to dance, ready

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to feed you, dude.

That's the thing that I have

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noticed about, like, Hispanic

families.

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Yeah.

They're just, like, so nice.

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Yeah.

So they want to feed you.

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They want you to dance.

Yeah.

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You freaking take a shot or two

with them, Like, yeah.

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Then you're like part of family.

Yeah.

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Then you're.

Good people like already.

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So exactly.

I I just love that energy that

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that's.

The difference between my

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Hispanic side of my family and

my white side of my family.

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My white side of the family walk

into the kitchen.

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What the hell are you doing

here?

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Get out of here Hispanic side of

the family.

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What else can I get you?

Is there anything else like here

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the.

The Have you eaten today?

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Yeah, yeah.

Have you eaten yet?

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Oh, you've only eaten five

times.

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Yeah.

Right.

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Exactly.

Here's another plate.

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Oh, my gosh.

You could be stuffed to the brim

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and they just here eat some

more.

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Eat some more.

Yeah, and take some with you

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when you leave.

Yeah, which is such a loving

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thing.

I mean, that's just a that's

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just a way of loving people,

yeah.

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That's their way of showing love

for sure.

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Cooking, feeding you.

Yeah, they're super welcoming.

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All right, so do you feel like

there's a part of you that wants

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to pick up where you left off

and and continue like a

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tradition now of, you know,

going out on Sundays and

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finding, you know, a nice place

to gather and.

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I would love to do that with as

far as like playing music goes.

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I think now it's time for me to

play this music like my husband

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Earner and I talk about it a

lot.

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We, you know, we want to pay

respect to our ancestors and our

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culture, you know, just really

dig into it.

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We, we love the music.

We love to play music.

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So why not play this music that,

you know, like comes from our

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people?

I think that that would be like

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a tradition I would like to

carry on, especially like with

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the musicians here in Grand

Junction that I know like

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excellent musicians.

I would love to just get

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together with, you know, all my

friends, all my musician friends

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and same same vibe, like same

family beach vibe, you know,

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just.

Having a good.

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Time I love cooking for people,

so I'll make them some nice

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Puerto Rican food.

Learn from my aunt and my

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sister.

But it's about like playing the

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music at the same time.

About playing the music.

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Yeah, about playing the music.

Like the music is like in.

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It's part of that whole memory

and that.

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Yeah, it is.

Like, it's what brings us

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together.

And then that song specifically

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draws a parallel between food

and music.

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So the song is called Autoscope,

Mozzarella, Rice and Beans, but

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it's a metaphor for the music

that they're playing.

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Oh, yeah.

So I think the first couple of

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lyrics are.

Esto Nos balada esto no ES rock.

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So it's not a ballad.

It's not rock.

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It's salsa song in Roomba.

Salsa song and Roomba are genres

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of Afro Cuban music and they all

consist of African rhythms and

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European harmonies.

And then what the the native

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people of Cuba and Puerto Rico

and you know, the Caribbean

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contributed to that music

themselves.

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And then eventually with, with

salsa, what happened was Puerto

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Ricans were come to New York and

they were bringing their music,

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their traditional Puerto Rican

music and the the jazz that they

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were hearing.

That's where the horns come

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from.

So they incorporated then what

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they had their African rhythms

and their European harmonies

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with what black Americans were

doing here with jazz and their

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instrumentation and brought that

all together.

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And now you have salsa and what

they're saying in the song

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basically is like, this is not

something you can learn, you

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know, in school.

It's kind of just ingrained in

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you.

Like you grow up into it.

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You, you, you listen to the

music, you hear it and you know,

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you start to feel that rhythm

and it's just ingrained to you.

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And like, the older I get, the

more I learn about music and

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study music and stuff, I'm like

realizing how much, how much of

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that stuff is ingrained to me.

Like, like sometimes I'll play

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something and I'll come across

something really complicated and

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I'll realize like, wow, this

would have been much, much

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harder if I didn't have this

music like in my in my blood.

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But you know, just having had

had the opportunity to listen to

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it all the time as a kid, it

really informs like my musical

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decisions and my life.

That is really, really cool.

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Like the melting pot that is New

York.

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It just like brought about this

whole, yeah, like different

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expression and different sound.

It is really cool and it's

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really like, I really consider a

blessing.

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Yeah.

It's a grow up in a in in New

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York City and listen to that

music for most of my life and

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continue to listen to it, to

listen to it for the rest of my

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life and hopefully play it.

Yeah, you will, because it's got

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so much life to it.

And I feel like that's so much

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of what we need right now in the

like.

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I just feel like that's what

people are craving and people

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are.

I agree.

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And like you said, it brings

people together.

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Yeah.

Too, And it means a lot, you

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know, the lyrics mean mean.

The lyrics are always you know,

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I think that Spanish there's AI

don't know, there's just a

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poetic about the language that

like you just can't do that in

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English.

I.

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Can't.

Say the same.

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Gree, that's been one of my

favorite parts of learning

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Spanish.

A little bit better actually,

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is, you know, when you're first

learning Spanish and you're

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trying to translate things,

you're like translating it very

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word for word.

Yeah.

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And when you learn a bit a bit

more and you can come away from

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that a bit, you're like, these

lines are so crazy, right?

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So good.

And sometimes it'll even be like

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a silly song about like, you

know, a guy getting cheated on

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or something.

But like, the way that they're,

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like, describing the heartbreak

or whatever can be just, like,

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it can be so poetic.

And sometimes English just can't

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be that pretty.

Yeah.

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Like it just.

Can't.

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You can make a song in English

comparing rice and beans to

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music.

I don't know.

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Yeah, this is cool.

Tell me if I'm wrong about this

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translation, because I'm singing

the lyrics.

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Esto noes in Saladita light Eros

con habituala.

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It's sort of saying like this

isn't no like a light little

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salad.

Yeah, exactly.

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This is like a fruit this.

Is a meal.

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This is that the Aroto habituala

is like the foundation of your

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meal.

If if you're going to eat dinner

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at a Puerto Rican household and

there's no rice and beans, it's

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like.

Something's missing.

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There's not dinner.

Yeah, there's not dinner.

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Something's absolutely missing.

You got to have your recipe.

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It's it's the foundation.

So yeah, it's not a light little

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salad.

Yeah, it's.

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I love that because they're,

yeah, they're literally saying

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like this music is the the

sustenance.

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It's the nourishment which is so

cool because both food and music

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feed your soul.

Yeah, you're eating the song for

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dinner.

Yeah, wait, let me just, this is

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like kind of random, but I just

came across a quote today that I

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loved.

Hopefully this is a correct

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quote.

It's supposedly from Ray

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Charles.

It says soul is when you take a

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song or a feeling and make it

part of you, a part that's so

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true, so real people think it

must have happened specifically

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to you.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

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I was recently watching Sinners.

Have you guys seen the movie

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Sinners?

No, I just, I was just

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recommended though, yeah.

Yeah, you should watch it.

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So you've heard of it.

It's going on my list.

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It's with Michael B Jordan and

Hailee Steinfeld.

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It has a lot to do with African

American history and Blues.

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And so.

So my dad S my dad is African

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American.

His side of the family, which is

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cool.

I get I get to participate in

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both these cultures.

Yeah.

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The food, the the music and

everything like that.

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That quote reminded me of the

movie because there's this one

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scene in the movie where one of

the older black characters is

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talking about, you know, just

something not so good that he

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went through.

And he kind of starts moaning in

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pain.

And eventually that moaning

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turns into singing.

And he starts singing the Blues.

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And it's like, wow, you can

actually see like.

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That's how it came about.

From and yeah, that just brought

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back that same feeling of salsa.

Like this is the foundation of

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like, this is my people's music.

This is their stories, their

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history.

And yeah, so yeah, it's, it's

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like part of their soul, right?

Yes.

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When can yeah, when somebody can

sing the Blues and, like really

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make you feel like wow.

And and make you feel like

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you're going through it like.

Dang.

450

00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,200

My relationship is fine and I

feel like I'm heartbroken.

451

00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,920

You know.

Yeah, that that that's what soul

452

00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,560

is.

Yeah, I love digging more into

453

00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,280

the history of music and where

some of this has come from

454

00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,400

because it's really beautiful to

then look at it from where we

455

00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,560

are now and realize, like, I

feel like that's why some of

456

00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,800

this stuff has had so much

longevity and has obviously

457

00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,800

imprinted so many of the music

genres that have come after it.

458

00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,960

Like I was learning recently,

actually, that so much of

459

00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,680

original dance music is from New

York.

460

00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,600

Yeah.

From all of these different

461

00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,240

cultures and music coming

together, the African rhythms,

462

00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:56,160

all the Hispanic rhythms.

And I just was like, Oh my God,

463

00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,360

this is such a beautiful thing

to think that like people just

464

00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,800

ending up in the same place at

the same time, living their

465

00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,440

lives, wanting to dance.

Yeah.

466

00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,560

Was the foundation of the genre

that has, you know, changed and

467

00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,640

evolved overtime but retains

that root of like soul and dance

468

00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,560

and and you know people one of

the dance like.

469

00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,600

It's it's, it's really

interesting to think about like

470

00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,040

what you're talking about there.

And and the fact that this song

471

00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,920

is like metaphorically perhaps

about food and food is another

472

00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,160

thing that like, you know, New

York is a place where all these

473

00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,400

cultures come together.

And the food shows that too,

474

00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,840

that, that there's food from all

around the world that comes

475

00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,960

together and there's all these

different fusions that happen.

476

00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:37,440

Yeah, with food.

And then there's the fusion that

477

00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,640

happened with music.

And this happens to be a song

478

00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,440

that is a fusion of.

Food and.

479

00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,600

Music, food and music, Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that's

480

00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:46,920

it.

Yeah.

481

00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,080

Music is medicine and food is

medicine.

482

00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,600

You're so right.

It's like just as necessary as

483

00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,920

food to us.

Like, yes, maybe you need food

484

00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,040

more often because you'll

literally kill over and die, but

485

00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,680

I don't know, maybe it's just as

necessary.

486

00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,680

Like, we all kind of come to

music when we need to, right?

487

00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,320

Like any sort of emotion when

I'm sad, it's weird because I

488

00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,920

used to find it when I was

younger.

489

00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,520

I used to find it so weird that

people would listen to sad music

490

00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,920

when they were sad.

Like why do you want?

491

00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,560

To bask in the sad.

Yeah.

492

00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,120

But honestly, like, that's what

you have to do sometimes.

493

00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,920

You have to let yourself feel

these things.

494

00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,640

And when somebody's talking

about something and it's like so

495

00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,760

close to home, like I am going

through this right now.

496

00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,600

Like, yeah, yeah.

Music is really healing it that

497

00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,600

way.

It lets you, it lets you feel

498

00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,840

instead of, like, ignoring

because, you know, we all have

499

00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,640

responsibilities.

We have to go to work.

500

00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,080

We have to go to school, we have

to feed the kids, things like

501

00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,000

that.

But yeah, music is that place

502

00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,240

you can just go, you know, It's

just, it's like home, like a

503

00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,480

nice, nice warm embrace, whether

you're happy or not.

504

00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,080

It just, it just, it just heals

you.

505

00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,800

Yeah.

Just another point that I was

506

00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,640

going to make about like if you

have more than one person in a

507

00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,840

room, they're going to bring

their own perspective.

508

00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,320

And because music is sort of so

just fundamental in all of our

509

00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,240

lives, that's going to come out.

And so like the those different

510

00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,240

perspectives in musicianship or

just in music taste or whatever,

511

00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,080

like in in your ancestry is made

for a reflection of that is

512

00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,440

going to come out and it's going

to come together.

513

00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,560

And that's how, yeah, like

something like salsa comes

514

00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,920

around.

Is that like it's sort of

515

00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,600

inevitable when you have.

Yeah, just like different

516

00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,240

cultures coming together.

Music is going to be part of

517

00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,520

that.

Yeah.

518

00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,280

And like food is going to be

part of that.

519

00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,000

Yeah, that's why I think it

would be so fun to like, get my

520

00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,400

musician friends together and

play some salsa, because, you

521

00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,320

know, you're still gonna

maintain the root of the music.

522

00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,400

But like you said, every,

everybody has their their own

523

00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,320

musical perspectives.

And so everybody can,

524

00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,720

everybody's not Puerto Rican, so

they can all inform the music.

525

00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,160

And and even if everybody was

Puerto Rican, everybody's got,

526

00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,960

you know, right.

Everybody lives a different

527

00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:50,640

life.

Yeah.

528

00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,360

So everybody can inform the

music in their own way.

529

00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,600

Like bring something new,

especially when it comes to

530

00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,440

improvising and like doing your,

your, your own solo part.

531

00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,080

It's like, you know, let's hear

what this girl or this guy has

532

00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,720

to say.

You know, right now that might

533

00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,120

be different from what I would

say or might be different from

534

00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:09,960

what they would have said

yesterday or what they're gonna

535

00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,440

say tomorrow.

Yeah, it's.

536

00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,320

Just really cool to be able to

like, I don't know, kind of like

537

00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,120

see humanity through that lens.

And one thing we've talked about

538

00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:22,840

many times, too, is the way that

music is so momentary and like

539

00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,440

you just said, like even the

same person on a different day

540

00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,280

at a different time, whatever is

coming up in that moment.

541

00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,800

Like, that's one of the amazing

things about live music, you

542

00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,960

know?

I agree.

543

00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,320

Yeah.

That's one of the best parts,

544

00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,680

especially for me, like seeing a

band and, like, seeing the way

545

00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,800

that musicians, like,

communicate with each other on

546

00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,000

stage.

And like when they all kind of,

547

00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,640

there's like a magical moment

when a band is playing and

548

00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,320

they're like, maybe one guy's

improvising and he's coming to

549

00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,840

the end of his thing and one of

the other musicians is like

550

00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,280

feeling what he's doing.

So he, like, joins in with him

551

00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,560

on and they're like in the same,

like they're just in the same

552

00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,600

brain.

Kind of like.

553

00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,720

Yeah, yeah.

Like that's like do magic.

554

00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,400

I love that.

That's so cool because I really

555

00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,520

do believe in like telepathy to

a certain degree.

556

00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,480

Like I that sounds silly because

I don't believe people can be

557

00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,880

like you're thinking of the

color orange or whatever.

558

00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,600

But I do think that sometimes

you're on the brave wave, like

559

00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,240

you're on the brain wavelength

something.

560

00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,400

'S going on everybody's like.

Five and right there.

561

00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,040

Yeah.

That is so cool.

562

00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,240

I wish I could play an

instrument or something,

563

00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,680

honestly, just to experience

that.

564

00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,880

Yeah.

You should get back into the

565

00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,600

French horn.

Make that French horn back up,

566

00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,840

girl.

French horn, Yeah.

567

00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,280

I just feel like, like everybody

needs an outlet and needs a,

568

00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,760

needs that permission to

improvise and, yeah, connect

569

00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,560

with other people and whatever.

Yeah, you know.

570

00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,600

I'm just starting now to get

into like improvisation more.

571

00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,480

I grew up, I, I learned piano by

ear.

572

00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,560

My, my dad's mom play piano and

my dad plays piano and they both

573

00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,600

play by ear and they both played

in church and you know, oh wow.

574

00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,320

I personally think that my

gospel church musicians are some

575

00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,200

of the best musicians.

I.

576

00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,120

Will agree on that one,

absolutely.

577

00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,000

They could.

They just got it.

578

00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,560

And yeah, my dad's one of those

guys.

579

00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:18,240

And that's how I picked it up.

And wow, eventually I went to a

580

00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,080

new school in fifth grade, and

my piano teacher, Doctor K,

581

00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,120

shouts out to Doctor K.

He was the first person to teach

582

00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,480

me how to read music.

It was a required class in fifth

583

00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,560

grade, piano.

So I learned how to read music.

584

00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,680

But then after that, it wasn't a

required class anymore.

585

00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,640

So I kind of like, stopped

reading music.

586

00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:39,080

And then in 10th grade, my dad

got me into like a music Academy

587

00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,560

in the Bronx.

Oh wow.

588

00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,280

And I had a teacher, Denton

Darien, he taught me to read

589

00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,360

music.

But anyway, reading music, I was

590

00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,040

playing classical music.

I wasn't playing jazz.

591

00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,720

I wasn't playing, so I was

playing classical music.

592

00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,680

Improvising is not much of a

thing that happens in the

593

00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,360

classical world anymore.

That kind of makes sense, I

594

00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280

suppose.

Look into it.

595

00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,720

It's got, it's a lot of history,

but basically a lot of the more

596

00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,760

prominent classical musicians

were from Germany, Austria, you

597

00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,440

know, Mozart, Bach, Beethoven.

And so around the 20s and 30s, I

598

00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,120

believe Germany started, you

know, publishing classical music

599

00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,080

and they were really strict

about, you know, who was allowed

600

00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,040

to play it and how you were

allowed to play it.

601

00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,880

So we don't do the improvisation

thing anymore.

602

00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,360

That's fascinating.

Yeah, so it's it's it's

603

00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,240

interesting, interesting

history.

604

00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,280

But so I as a result, didn't

really like learn to improvise.

605

00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,640

And when my dad listened to a

bunch of music, like I grew up

606

00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,680

listening to film scores and

jazz and salsa and you know,

607

00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,480

like smooth jazz, all that

stuff.

608

00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,200

And I never knew that these

people were improvising.

609

00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,480

I thought this was all written

music and everybody was just,

610

00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,280

you know, writing.

And then like getting older and

611

00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,840

realizing, like, Jesus Christ,

these people are just doing this

612

00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,680

off the top of their head,

which, you know, to a certain

613

00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,640

degree, it's not off the top of

their head, but I just, I didn't

614

00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,160

know that that's how it works.

So now I'm like trying to get

615

00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,680

into it and it's been fun.

Like it, it's, it's a barrier to

616

00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,000

push past bet growing up playing

classical music, it's like you

617

00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,400

want to do this the right way,

you want to do it perfectly.

618

00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,200

And when you're improvising,

there's just no right way to do

619

00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:17,880

it.

For sure.

620

00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,280

You can't do it perfectly.

So it, it is challenging, but

621

00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,720

like fun to like it's kind of

like breaking down a wall, you

622

00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,360

know, like allowing myself to

express myself without, without

623

00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,840

the the that constraint or that

need to be perfect.

624

00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,160

And you're not up here as much

because you can't be.

625

00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,760

I mean, I I mean, I don't play

an instrument, but I just feel

626

00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760

like if you're thinking too

hard, yeah, you're going to lose

627

00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,480

it.

Yeah, like.

628

00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,080

Even even with something like

riding a bike or reciting a

629

00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,760

speech, like if you're thinking

too hard, it's true, you're

630

00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,160

going to get caught of.

Your words and whatever, yeah.

631

00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,480

Yeah, exactly.

I've had many moments like

632

00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,000

during performances where I just

start to think too hard, like,

633

00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,480

and I I really, I already know

in my head, like, just let your

634

00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,720

fingers do the work, right.

But I think too hard that I mess

635

00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,400

up and it's like oh crap.

But no, that's so funny.

636

00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,000

It is about like literally

getting out of your own way to

637

00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,160

like just let your muscle memory

take over because you have like,

638

00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,920

it's in there.

Yeah, it's there.

639

00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,160

It's there for sure.

You just got and I think it's

640

00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,800

there for everybody, even people

who don't really aren't

641

00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,880

self-proclaimed musicians.

I think yeah, you could pick up

642

00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,880

maybe maybe piano might be a

little easier because like I

643

00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,360

said, all you gotta do is push a

button and the sound comes out.

644

00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,160

You know I've.

Never thought about it that way

645

00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,520

because, you know, always piano.

Piano is still a challenging

646

00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,120

yeah, yeah thing to master.

But like, I've never thought

647

00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,320

about the fact that like, yeah,

at least you don't have to hold

648

00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,200

the string the, right?

Way.

649

00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,600

Yeah, exactly.

Like I can't imagine.

650

00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,440

Oh my gosh, if, if my parents

would have set me with a violin,

651

00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,800

like, I don't think I would have

been amazing today.

652

00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,640

I'm like, no thank you too, too

much of A perfectionist child

653

00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,560

to.

Like, yeah, I think that parents

654

00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,200

don't give their kids violins

for a reason to.

655

00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,440

It takes quite a while to get

past like the dying goose stand.

656

00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,840

Exactly.

Same for the flute.

657

00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,080

Yeah, yeah.

You know, those instruments are

658

00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,480

something else, but.

It was pretty cool.

659

00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,160

Can I take you back for a

second?

660

00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,680

Because you mentioned something

just now about being a

661

00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,440

perfectionist as a kid, and then

you also were just mentioning

662

00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,480

the history of when we stopped

improvising in classical music,

663

00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,520

which I didn't know anything

about.

664

00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120

That's really fascinating.

But one of the things that I'm

665

00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,560

thinking historically for them

to be tamping down on, like you

666

00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,040

have to do this piece this way

or whatever, to me, that

667

00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,600

communicates how powerful music

can be.

668

00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,200

Like, that must have obviously

been why they wanted to control

669

00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,000

that.

Like they want to control the

670

00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,480

narrative, they want to control

the emotions, whatever it is.

671

00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,200

So obviously they recognize the

power that it is to improvise

672

00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,920

and create from the moment and

from what you're feeling.

673

00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,040

So does it feel powerful to you

now to be playing in that space

674

00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,440

more?

It does because it feels like

675

00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,240

it's coming from me, you know,

like it feels empowering.

676

00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,520

Like, feels like, it's kind of

like me patting myself on the

677

00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,960

back.

Like you, you have the authority

678

00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,720

to do this.

You have the skills, like you've

679

00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,600

been play music all your life.

You've been practicing all your

680

00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,720

life.

So you definitely have the

681

00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,600

skills to do it.

Yeah.

682

00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,560

And then when I do it, it's

like, Oh my God.

683

00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,520

Like it's just reaffirming.

Like I do, like, I can't do it.

684

00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,040

I am a musician.

Wow.

685

00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,960

Call me Mozart, baby.

Wow, that is so amazing that

686

00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,840

that's a really, that's a really

cool like gift that you're

687

00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,120

giving yourself it.

Feels like I'm contributing like

688

00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,880

to like imagine speaking English

and only saying only reciting

689

00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,160

prose and poetry that you read.

Like you're only talking

690

00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,480

Shakespeare and, and you're only

reciting like your favorite

691

00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,840

poets, but you're never talking

like imagine being on this

692

00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,680

podcast and we're all just

reading from books.

693

00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,680

Like it feels good having like

your own thing to say.

694

00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,120

Like you're contributing to a

conversation.

695

00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,600

You're contributing to like a

culture.

696

00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,000

You know, people are going to be

listening to this and stemming

697

00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,560

conversations off of what we

talk about as opposed to just

698

00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,560

having the same conversations

all the time based on, yeah,

699

00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,679

same book.

Yeah, on whoever else did it

700

00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:10,280

first.

Yeah.

701

00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,639

And wherever that came from.

Yeah.

702

00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,480

Yeah.

But then, of course, like, you

703

00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,199

know, nothing's new under the

sun.

704

00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,920

You know, we're using words that

people have used, Yeah,

705

00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,400

thousands and thousands of

years.

706

00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,199

Make sure in the musical library

you're using chords.

707

00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,719

Yeah, exactly.

What chords?

708

00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,440

And no, I mean, there's only in

in, in the western part of the

709

00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,400

world, there's only 12 notes

that we can choose from.

710

00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,719

So like, you know, right before

you run out of things, But yeah.

711

00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,280

And yet you can come up with new

combinations.

712

00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,520

All the time.

Exactly.

713

00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,000

And so true.

Like, we can sit here and have

714

00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,600

this conversation and you can

pretty much guarantee that

715

00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,639

there's never been this

conversation.

716

00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,280

Exactly.

Yeah, that's, oh, that's one

717

00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,960

thing.

What do you guys, have you guys

718

00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,880

heard of saying?

What's that piece called?

719

00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,760

It's like, I forget the guy's

name, but but basically there's

720

00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,560

this composer and he, his idea

is like, like music can never be

721

00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,880

performed the same way twice.

So he has this piece, it's

722

00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,880

called 433 and it's just

basically 4 minutes and 33

723

00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,080

seconds of silence.

But the idea is like when you

724

00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,960

perform it in front of different

audiences in different rooms,

725

00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,560

you know, there's different

acoustics happening.

726

00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,920

Maybe there's a baby in the room

that coughs or cries or

727

00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,640

something like that.

It's going to be different every

728

00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,200

single time.

Oh.

729

00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,960

Yeah, that is such a cool

concept.

730

00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,800

I'm I'm blanking on the guy's

name but.

731

00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,560

I I do feel like I have heard a

podcast about this dude.

732

00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,160

Yeah.

Is it John?

733

00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,520

Cage.

Yes, John Cage.

734

00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,880

That's cool.

Yeah, I didn't know this.

735

00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,680

Was here.

Let's let's listen to a minute

736

00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,760

of that song real quick.

Oh wow, there's that.

737

00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,480

Really.

Is nothing.

738

00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,040

Yeah, it's playing.

Wait, my favorite part's coming?

739

00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,400

This is fast.

Oh, there it is.

740

00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:51,960

OK.

Yeah.

741

00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,840

And honestly, like we're, we're

kind of contributing to it in

742

00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,960

our own way right now,

improvising on top.

743

00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,560

Of it such a beautiful wait.

I'm just loving that concept

744

00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,680

because that that's really like

giving the space its props in a

745

00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,080

way.

Yeah, like.

746

00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680

Like there has to be a physical

space where where these things

747

00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,480

exist and where this music gets

made.

748

00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,480

And it's sort of like.

Yeah, you wouldn't just press

749

00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,160

record like in a sound boot for

this.

750

00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,040

Right, right.

Well, you could.

751

00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,440

Though I guess you could.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could.

752

00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,720

It's interesting you sharing

that bit about stepping into

753

00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,800

improvising more now is really,

it's just a really cool thing to

754

00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,640

hear.

I feel like I have my own ways

755

00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,640

where I I have barriers I have

to get through to like be

756

00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,880

creative.

I don't know, it just makes a

757

00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,000

lot of sense that it would be

hard to come away from the

758

00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,320

safety of like a written piece

of.

759

00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,440

Music.

Yeah, yeah.

760

00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,480

Like it's kind of hard because

you're, you have to give

761

00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,000

yourself the, the chance to be

bad at something totally.

762

00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,960

You just, I, I don't know, I

don't know if there's anybody on

763

00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,960

earth who can do it.

But when you're starting

764

00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,480

something new, you might have

beginner's luck, but you know,

765

00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,560

in the long run, you're going to

make a mistake or you know,

766

00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,200

something's going to reveal

itself and you're going to learn

767

00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,120

that you're not as good as you

thought you were.

768

00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,160

And you just, you have to, I

think just in life in general,

769

00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,720

you have to get used to that

feeling of like just that'll

770

00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:17,600

happen.

Be bad at it.

771

00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,800

You're going to be bad at it at

first.

772

00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,800

But if, because if you don't, if

you don't allow yourself to be

773

00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,600

bad at it, you're never going to

get good at it like ever.

774

00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,240

You're going to doubting

yourself is one thing, but then

775

00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,760

like just continuing to badge

yourself down about it and not

776

00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,160

try again.

Yeah, to not to not be good at

777

00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,040

it, to be a reason to stop

doing.

778

00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,040

It yeah, it's not valid yeah, I

agree that that's the way to go.

779

00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,400

You just, Yeah, you got to try.

At least you got to try.

780

00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,800

You got to be giving yourself a

lot of permission.

781

00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,680

Yeah.

Something, I can't remember who

782

00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,200

it was, maybe it's an artist or

something, but I feel like I've

783

00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,640

heard before that in order to do

something creative, you have to

784

00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,560

be playful.

Like, you have to get into a

785

00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,880

mindset where you're playing

like you're having fun, you're

786

00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,080

experimenting.

You're not focused on what it's

787

00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,240

going to turn into.

But of course, that's so like,

788

00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,480

like, it's so hard to get there

even like we have been, you

789

00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,880

know, recording stuff and

whatever.

790

00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,240

And like the last time we were

in here, he was getting so

791

00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,160

frustrated 'cause he's like, I

feel like I'm trying to try

792

00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,000

less.

Like I'm trying to sound like

793

00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,360

I'm not trying hard and I don't

know how to do that.

794

00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,600

It's like the hardest thing

ever.

795

00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120

It's like you got to somehow get

out of your head.

796

00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,920

You got to somehow like, get

like, do all these weird mental

797

00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,360

gymnastics.

Yeah.

798

00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,360

To just to, to try and be as

natural as possible.

799

00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,280

So yeah, there's this irony.

I, I compared it to like, you

800

00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,600

know, you take 3 hours to make

your hair look like it just, you

801

00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,960

just roll out of bed, you know?

Yeah, exactly like I woke up

802

00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,840

like this.

Yeah.

803

00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,360

But that's not the reality of

it.

804

00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,560

And then it's hard because like,

you know, you have to be in that

805

00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,760

playful mindset, but at the same

time, like when you're

806

00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,280

practicing, it's like you have

to you, you got to be serious

807

00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,800

about your bragging, especially

if you're like with, you know,

808

00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,040

you're using other people's

time.

809

00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,400

So you know for sure you you

want to, you want to have your

810

00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,360

shit together for sure.

Yeah, it's, it's a balance like.

811

00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,200

Yeah, and, and you do run into

those times where it's like, I

812

00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,880

really don't want to play this

song for the, you know, yeah,

813

00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,160

20th time in a row.

But I guess I'm going to have to

814

00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,200

because I still haven't gotten

this part right.

815

00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,240

Yeah, exactly.

You got to be a little strict

816

00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,440

about.

But then I think like when it's

817

00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,280

go time, it's playtime.

Like when it's performance time,

818

00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,760

you throw all that crap out the

window, throw all that strict

819

00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,400

crap out the window.

And like, especially if you have

820

00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,560

like for I'm not a, I'm not a

solo artist.

821

00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,640

I know my guy Keller over here

does a lot of solo stuff, but I

822

00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,960

don't know how I do it, man,

'cause I really rely on the

823

00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,720

energy of like everybody up

there, especially Charles.

824

00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,120

Charles, dude has such good

energy.

825

00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,040

He just like he's so good at

hyping you up.

826

00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,120

So then you are enjoying.

It like, yeah, exactly like you

827

00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,320

can.

Oh yeah, yeah, like you're

828

00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,920

playing.

You're actually playing.

829

00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,560

Like it's fun.

Yeah, yeah, it is interesting

830

00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,760

actually, just just to think

about the word playing.

831

00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,800

And like you play an instrument,

you yeah, in a band, but you,

832

00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,240

but, but you're actually, you

are playing like you're having

833

00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,760

fun playing, right.

Yeah.

834

00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,080

At the same time.

Yeah.

835

00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,960

You wonder if the the root of

that.

836

00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,080

Is is on purpose?

Because it's not.

837

00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,280

There's a difference between

doing it and playing it.

838

00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,680

Yeah, because it.

Because it, because it could

839

00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,320

have been a different word.

It could have been a different,

840

00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,640

you know, I'm flabutting right

now.

841

00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,920

Yeah, yeah, flabutting the band.

Yeah, yeah.

842

00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,400

Yeah, Flabut with me.

Think about the word practice

843

00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,840

like that too.

Oh, really?

844

00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,600

I practice this instrument.

For me, it's kind of like the

845

00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,120

same thing as like maybe

practicing a religion or

846

00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,720

practicing meditation.

Like it's a practice.

847

00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,480

Like you have to show up kind of

dedicated every day to this

848

00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,400

thing.

Oh my God, I love that.

849

00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,160

I feel like it informs my life

in so many ways.

850

00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,080

Like especially the getting into

improv now, like I feel lighter

851

00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,720

about life.

I don't feel so like I have to

852

00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,880

know what I'm doing all the

time.

853

00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,240

I have to have my whole day

planned out and I have to do

854

00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,160

everything on my To Do List or

else I'm going to freak out at

855

00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,200

the end of the day.

You know that I didn't have this

856

00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,800

perfect day.

It feels like the same way that

857

00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,520

I decided I can improvise with

the piano.

858

00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,440

I can do that with every day.

Why?

859

00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,800

Maybe I don't get through all my

things on the right.

860

00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,120

Maybe I don't get through one

thing on the to do this today,

861

00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,720

but.

But maybe you sit for 4 minutes

862

00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,760

and 33 seconds and you soak in.

Exactly you.

863

00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,680

Exactly.

Get something.

864

00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,520

Happening, yeah.

Yeah, that is really cool.

865

00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,360

And I feel like that makes me

think of just in general being

866

00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,960

present.

And I feel like that's something

867

00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,680

that we've talked about a lot,

like being present with the

868

00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,600

people that come into this

podcast.

869

00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,480

And also just as a performer,

like you've mentioned, times

870

00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,040

when you were so present in a

performance that you didn't even

871

00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,680

feel the time go by like.

I mean, right, I mean, you've

872

00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,600

definitely.

Experienced.

873

00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,800

That where it's like whoa, like

we we just played an hour set

874

00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,480

and it just.

Is gone.

875

00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,760

Yeah, it just went by so and it

and it's so weird too, because

876

00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,040

like you put so much practice,

like you definitely practice for

877

00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,720

more than an hour, right?

You know, so it's like, Dang,

878

00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,720

like you practice all that time

and it's like, yeah, you got to

879

00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:02,640

be present in that moment or

else you're really going to miss

880

00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,840

it.

Like you're going to miss it.

881

00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,120

This this one audience that this

specific audience, those

882

00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,280

specific people in that audience

that were in front of you.

883

00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,000

Yeah.

You know, the way you were

884

00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,800

feeling that day, you know,

looking at your band members,

885

00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,360

you know, like when you're with

a band, it's important to to,

886

00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,840

you know, look these people in

the eye and see what they're

887

00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,360

feeling like.

Are they feeling this same thing

888

00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,360

as you?

Are they OK?

889

00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,240

Like you asked them how they

were doing today?

890

00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,400

You know, get on the same page

with these people.

891

00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,520

If you can see your audience,

you know, like Miss Theater, you

892

00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,360

probably can't see people.

But if you're outside, like at a

893

00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,880

restaurant, you can see the

people that you're playing for.

894

00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,960

Look somebody in the eye, you

know, and, and listen.

895

00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,200

Listen to what's happening.

Listen to what the other

896

00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,560

musicians are doing.

Listen to all the noises around

897

00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,160

you.

Like all of that stuff is going

898

00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,000

to inform what comes out of you.

When you let it as you should.

899

00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,800

When you let it, yeah, if you're

being present, because when

900

00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,160

you're not being present, it's

like, it's so weird.

901

00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,080

It's just like this push and

pull of like, what am I supposed

902

00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,800

to do or how am I supposed to be

or how do I want everybody to

903

00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,520

perceive me as opposed to just

like I just am what I am right

904

00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,480

now.

Yeah, like this is what you're

905

00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,680

going to get.

And.

906

00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,080

And if you did your due due

diligence, if you practiced

907

00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,400

right and did what you were

supposed to do, then you know,

908

00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,080

it's not going to be as hard to

like get your mind off of the

909

00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,440

technical things.

You know, at a certain point,

910

00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,280

you're body starts doing stuff

that your brain doesn't have to

911

00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,080

worry about anymore.

Like, you know, you know, when

912

00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,520

we were first babies learning

how to walk, it took a lot of

913

00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,440

concentrations to take those

first couple steps.

914

00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,480

Like, yeah, how do I take the

next step without falling?

915

00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,960

But, you know, now we're adults,

we've been practicing this

916

00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,920

walking thing for a while now.

We don't have to think about it

917

00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,720

anymore.

I can walk to the store without

918

00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,720

thinking about walking, so I can

have other stuff on my mind.

919

00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:43,160

Totally.

But yeah, if you're, if you're

920

00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,520

going through a song and you're

like, oh crap, what was the

921

00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,680

chord that I'm playing right

after the chorus here?

922

00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,280

Oh, this goes to this place over

here.

923

00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,960

Then that takes you out of that

moment.

924

00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:53,360

And you get stuck.

And then if you mess up, you get

925

00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,840

insecure like, and then you

start thinking about, man, if I

926

00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,200

would have spent more time

practicing.

927

00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,400

Yeah.

But if you if you do your due

928

00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,080

diligence, you can, you know,

get all that, all that technical

929

00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,000

brainy stuff out the way your

body can worry about that and

930

00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,880

your brain can focus on.

Totally.

931

00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,680

That's that's something that my

dad said to me a lot with that

932

00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,240

practice is like, or when it

came time to perform is like

933

00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,680

This is why you practice right,

is so that you can enjoy this

934

00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,440

right now.

Right.

935

00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:20,600

Exactly.

Yeah.

936

00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,680

That's a good perspective to

have on it.

937

00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,640

And also I feel like there are

times when people mess up and if

938

00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,240

they're good enough, you don't

notice it.

939

00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,120

Because.

You just roll with it.

940

00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,840

That's that's something that,

yeah, Whitney always says.

941

00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,360

Is that you?

I The only reason I can tell you

942

00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,680

messed up is because you make a

face.

943

00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,120

Yeah.

Oh, right, right.

944

00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,480

Like if you didn't make a face,

then nobody would have.

945

00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,600

Nobody would have even known.

Yeah.

946

00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,360

Yeah, that is one thing I

learned from my my early piano

947

00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,800

teacher, Doctor K.

Like just just move past it.

948

00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,560

Just move past it, keep going.

And then on top of that, like if

949

00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,920

you have like consistent

supporters, like we don't care.

950

00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,560

No, they're like, we're there to

see.

951

00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,080

I'm here to see Kellen play.

Like I want to hear Kellen's

952

00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,440

voice and I want to hear what

Kellen has to say.

953

00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,800

And I want to hear him play his

instrument if he messes up.

954

00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,400

Like, you know, if you didn't

practice and you're just dilly

955

00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,960

dallying up there, I might be a

little upset because I came to

956

00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,160

see some stuff.

But you know, like I'm human.

957

00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,240

You're human, you mess.

Up and that's like partially

958

00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,160

what you're after is is the

humanity.

959

00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,320

Exactly.

Yeah, Like I came to see a live

960

00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,720

performance for a reason.

Yeah, that's again, like

961

00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:22,520

Speaking of through lines, we've

talked about like AI and that

962

00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,400

kind of thing and how how today,

you know, an AI song might be

963

00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,000

like sort of perfect in a in a

manner.

964

00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,400

But like people don't

necessarily want perfect.

965

00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,040

And even if even if they do want

perfect, they want it from a

966

00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,680

person.

Yeah, I agree.

967

00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,760

I think that's the very like

uncanny valley thing about AI

968

00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,480

music.

I feel like what they do is they

969

00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,920

take something that would be

considered perfect in a song.

970

00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,120

So like in every genre, like we

got hip hop, we have jazz, we

971

00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,960

have salsa, we have whatever

else.

972

00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,400

Something about every genre has

like a perfect thing.

973

00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,800

Like in hip hop, this is like

the equation that makes a

974

00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,080

perfect hook.

Oh, right.

975

00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,640

And this is the equation that

makes a perfect from a perfect

976

00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,160

verse and a perfect whatever.

And when you take all those

977

00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,760

equations and put them together

in one song, it's like, why does

978

00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,480

this sound so perfect?

It sounds weird.

979

00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,880

I'd rather have like, you got

your perfect hook and you have

980

00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,960

your imperfect everything else,

right?

981

00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,920

But if everything is all like

the perfect equation for a

982

00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,440

verse, a chorus, and a bridge,

it just it's not human.

983

00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,400

Right.

Yeah, I just saw we went to like

984

00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,160

this art show thing and there

was an artisan and she had, I

985

00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,080

forget what it was.

It was like wood carvings or

986

00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,520

something like that.

And she had a sign out that said

987

00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,040

not designed by AI.

And on one hand it's like, well,

988

00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,520

like if I, if I like it either

way, if it's AI or if a person

989

00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,240

did it, if I like it and I want

it on my wall, then then what's

990

00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:49,440

the difference?

But at the same time, like I do

991

00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,760

want it more when a person made

it.

992

00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,240

Yeah, because a person made it.

Yeah.

993

00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,480

That like their their hand is in

it.

994

00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,080

Yeah, it's something about

knowing that somebody took the

995

00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,520

time to study this thing and

practice it for so long and then

996

00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,680

end up being good at it and then

end up being good enough for

997

00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,000

themselves to think like, OK,

let me put this out there and

998

00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:10,880

sell it.

Like, right.

999

00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,200

Yeah, yeah.

And it's, it's not about being

1000

00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,760

as good or better than AI.

It's about it being human.

1001

00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,840

Yeah, yeah.

Being human and being what you

1002

00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,200

think is good, you being the

artist, Yes.

1003

00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,600

Your product, if it's good to

you, that's what matters.

1004

00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,760

That's another like, yeah,

something that's been like

1005

00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,240

coming in my brain, like

recently is that I don't need to

1006

00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:34,560

be like the best.

I need to be my best, whatever

1007

00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,720

that means for me.

Yes.

1008

00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,240

And if I'm OK with that, then

I'm OK.

1009

00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,040

With Yeah, well, and something

you said in the very beginning

1010

00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,520

of when you were talking about

improvising is recognizing that

1011

00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,280

you have the authority to do

that.

1012

00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,040

You have the authority to to

decide where to go.

1013

00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,240

You are allowed to choose what's

sounding good to you and where

1014

00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,120

that's going.

Like it doesn't have to be that

1015

00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,240

somebody said it's OK, somebody

else said it sounds good.

1016

00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,800

Like that's such a, a huge, I

don't know, that's just a

1017

00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,240

different relationship probably

to have with yourself.

1018

00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:08,040

Like I feel like in some ways we

could all use like that

1019

00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,720

authority in our own lives,

period.

1020

00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,440

Like I have the authority to not

like grapes if I don't like

1021

00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,920

grapes or whatever it is.

I don't know.

1022

00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,480

I feel like sometimes in this

world we get so caught up in

1023

00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,000

like strong opinions and things

like that.

1024

00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,680

And it's just like, I don't

know, you have the authority.

1025

00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,400

That's like a good thing to

remember.

1026

00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:28,960

Yeah.

And and the fact that you're

1027

00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,040

feeling it means that probably

somebody else.

1028

00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,080

Somebody will.

Very much so.

1029

00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,480

Yeah.

I think a lot of us feel like

1030

00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,080

we're alone in our feelings a

lot of the time, especially our

1031

00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,840

more like intense feelings.

Yes.

1032

00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,440

I don't know, it's just it's

just nice getting things from

1033

00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,200

humans, you know, humans have

perspective, humans have

1034

00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,320

experiences.

It's cool to see.

1035

00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,760

I don't know.

For me anyway, I think it's cool

1036

00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,800

to see how people's lives like

shape their opinions and their

1037

00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,560

art and the things that they

produce and the jobs that they,

1038

00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,800

you know, the things that they

provide to the world and the

1039

00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,600

community are because of just

the things that have happened

1040

00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,160

throughout their life.

And like when you take an AI

1041

00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,120

song or anything like what

experience right is this emotion

1042

00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,400

coming from or?

Yeah, I love that you said that

1043

00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,520

because I do think it's

interesting that like I have a

1044

00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,200

relationship with music that is

really wishy washy in the sense

1045

00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,840

of like, sometimes I really want

to know a lot about an artist

1046

00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,520

and I want to know like what

experiences has informed their

1047

00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,800

music.

And other times I kind of enjoy

1048

00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,960

not figuring out anything about

them and just taking their

1049

00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,160

music, like it doesn't matter

where it came from or whatever,

1050

00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,720

or if this song means anything

or whatever it is.

1051

00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,640

Like just taking it how I take

it.

1052

00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,400

But I think it's fascinating

that I just feel like sometimes

1053

00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,480

there's more inherent value in

something when it has that

1054

00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,840

depth, even if you never figure

out what it is, even if you

1055

00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,200

never research that artist.

It's part of it.

1056

00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,440

It's.

Part of it, Yeah, right.

1057

00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:55,840

It's part of it.

Yeah.

1058

00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,760

You don't have to know that for

it to for it to even be

1059

00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,000

something that you're hearing.

Yeah.

1060

00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,120

I think that's why creating

stuff is so important.

1061

00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,800

Did you want to go back to the

beach?

1062

00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,640

Yeah, dude, if if you don't

mind.

1063

00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,520

I don't, basically.

So you.

1064

00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,560

So the song brings you back to

these Sundays.

1065

00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,320

Yeah.

And so you're talking about,

1066

00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,840

like, Sundays throughout your

childhood.

1067

00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,560

Yeah.

But are there any moments that

1068

00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:25,920

stick out to you?

I think, you know, honestly a

1069

00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,400

moment not too long ago, maybe

it was in 2019, just before

1070

00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,600

COVID, me and earner, my

husband, were driving up from

1071

00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,160

Virginia to visit my family in

New York.

1072

00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,120

So we went to the beach one

Sunday and there was a man and

1073

00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,040

his grandson, I believe it was,

and they were with their family

1074

00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,600

that was just like right next to

my family.

1075

00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,440

And they were playing some

instruments and Earner had his

1076

00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,680

sound recorder and so he

recorded it.

1077

00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,720

And like a sound recorder is

just so much different than like

1078

00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,200

recording with your phone,

microphone and your voicemails

1079

00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,000

or something because it picks up

every little thing.

1080

00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,240

So like you can hear all the

people talking.

1081

00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,760

You can hear like every little

footstep in the grass.

1082

00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,400

Wow.

And you can hear this guy

1083

00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,720

playing on, I believe if he was

playing the gong ass.

1084

00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,080

Yeah, just like listening back

to that.

1085

00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:17,360

I think it was like the first

time like I ever really used the

1086

00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,160

sound recorder for music anyway.

Like Earner would film and use

1087

00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,600

the sound recorder for like

dialogue and stuff like that.

1088

00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,720

But it was the first time we

used it for music.

1089

00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,480

And it was kind of just like one

of those John Cage moments where

1090

00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,160

it was like you caught

everything that was happening on

1091

00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,640

on the grass in this area.

So that's one specific, specific

1092

00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,000

memory that gets to me because

it was just cool.

1093

00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,640

Like seeing this older man and

his younger probably grandson

1094

00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,760

and him like teaching him and

just like carrying down

1095

00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,600

tradition.

It's like this is what this is

1096

00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,240

all yeah.

This is why we bring our

1097

00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,160

families here.

This is why we bring the kids

1098

00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,880

here.

This is why we play the music

1099

00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,400

and why we dance.

So yeah, that's that's

1100

00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,000

definitely one of those memories

that sticks in my brain.

1101

00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,400

Besides that, like I can't

really call to specific because

1102

00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,400

it was basically like the same

thing happening every day, but

1103

00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,440

it was always fun.

So yeah, just dancing with my

1104

00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,400

dad and dancing with my aunts.

So were you like, sort of the

1105

00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,080

weird family out there together

dancing around, or was this like

1106

00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,840

a lot of families out there

dancing?

1107

00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,680

Yeah.

Everybody's got their own radio.

1108

00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,880

Like there's, there's different

songs all playing at the same

1109

00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,440

time.

Just gotta be close enough to

1110

00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,280

your radio to make sure you hear

yours the most.

1111

00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,760

Sometimes people would be OK

with like, let's listen to what

1112

00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,840

they're listening to right now.

Yeah, it's we are definitely not

1113

00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,400

the oddball family out.

Like if you're not dancing,

1114

00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,840

you're probably the odd one out

and and you're probably going to

1115

00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,520

be invited to dance.

Yeah.

1116

00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,280

Yeah, yeah, the next family.

Oh my God, that's cool.

1117

00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,760

Yeah, fun times, yeah.

It sounds like so much fun it.

1118

00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,280

Is Yeah, I miss it a lot.

I have one of my aunts that I

1119

00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,320

recently went to go visit.

She she is basically like the

1120

00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,440

matriarch of the whole thing.

OK, I Titira Monita.

1121

00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,440

She is 102 years old now.

No, Yeah.

1122

00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,760

That is so crazy.

Yeah, it's, it's awesome to see

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her, you know, so lively and,

you know, laughing and telling

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stories and.

Wow.

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She, she, you know, she helped

raise me for a little bit when

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my parents would work, I would

be with her or I would be with

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my dad's side of the family in

Brooklyn.

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She's where I, I know my little

bit of Spanish from she, she,

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she doesn't speak English much

English.

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So her and her sister, my great

grandmother, they are where I

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get my little, my little bit of

Spanish.

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00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,800

Yeah.

Mostly like orders and commands,

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but still.

Yeah.

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00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,000

Yeah.

And I just remember, like,

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spending holidays with them and,

you know, traditional Puerto

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00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,200

Rican food and drinks like

coquito.

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00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,240

Every holiday, every every

Thanksgiving, it's a coconut,

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00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,360

coconut drink with rum, Puerto

Rican rum.

1139

00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,920

Oh, that sounds good.

It's almost like it's almost

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00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,720

kind of like eggnog, but more

and more coconut.

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00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,600

Wait, that sounds good as hell,

because I'm not really into

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00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,400

eggnog, to be honest.

I want to like it on a

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00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,320

theoretical level.

And then I drink it and I'm

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00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,960

like.

I feel you, I feel you.

1145

00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,520

But yeah, this is this is more

of a a coconut coconut E.

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00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,360

Coconut milk, cinnamon and rum.

Coconut milk, Cinnamon rum.

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00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,000

Yeah.

Dude, I'm going to whip this up.

1148

00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,520

Sounds pretty good.

Look up a recipe.

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00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:23,280

OK, wait, what's it called?

Coquitos OQU ideal.

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00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,760

All right, well.

We went everywhere and beyond.

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00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,920

This was so fun.

Yeah, go all around.

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00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,680

Yeah, totally.

Yeah, That's awesome.

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00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,960

So good.

So, Lee, thank you so much for

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00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,320

being here.

Thank you guys for having me.

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00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,360

This is really exciting and fun.

I'm so happy to be here.

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00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,480

Good.

We're glad that you had a good

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00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,000

time, yes.

And thank you Kimchi for your

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00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,120

emotional.

Support.

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00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,960

It's so beautiful to have a trip

down memory lane that was so

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00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:53,400

light and fun and I don't know,

I'm like ready to go dancing and

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00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,200

have a party now that we've like

been talking about that.

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00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,880

So thank you for sharing so much

of your culture with us of.

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00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,400

Course thank you guys for having

me and accepting me my.

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00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:03,840

God.

Oh yeah, yeah.

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00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,880

If you if you aren't

traumatized, you can come back

1166

00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:08,800

around.

So yeah.

1167

00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,120

I'm not traumatized.

I love to hear.

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00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,280

I would stay in this room for

the rest of the day.

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00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,600

OK, this is fun.

I like the lighting too.

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00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,240

The lighting.

All right, We're, we're honing

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00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,240

it in.

Yeah, we're figuring it out.

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00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:25,560

Yeah, it's slowly pairs.

Thanks for tuning in to that

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00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:31,240

Takes Me back broadcasting from

97-O W studio in beautiful Grand

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00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:35,560

Junction, Co.

Today's episode was recorded,

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00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,320

produced and edited by your

hosts, Kellen David and Maya

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00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,720

Sage.

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00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:44,360

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1178

00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,200

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00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:53,000

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1180

00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,080

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1181

00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,480

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1182

00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,240

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1183

00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,520

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00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,320

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